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Frame Re-Spray Color Choices / Preferences?

Hello All,

I've had a 1998 Homegrown XT (Bass Boat Orange) for some time now.  Love the frame.  Never happy about the color.  I always wished it to be more Orange and less Brown.  It sometimes looked like Red in low light situations.  Anyway, I finally got the motivation to re-paint it.  The frame will be "Bass Boat" glittery, but the color is still an option.

I have already purchased the proper Blue flake to replicate the 1997 Factory Blue, but I am now leaning against doing a copy of something it is not.  I am actually leaning towards doing something unique (but still Bass Boat).  I considered buying Orange flake and doing a two-color paint (imagine a low-rider '64 Impala).  Instead I bought a cool green/gold flake.  I still haven't decided what color it will be, and could still change my mind during the spray-outs.

Any input on what a cool color choice would be is what I'm after here.  The frame is already 85% stripped, so no going back.

Thanks,

 

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That glitter looks pretty awesome. I don't know enough about the process-would you do it over a black base coat or what? I think that glitter with a white pearl (like the '98 2-tone paint jobs) would be pretty bitchin'. I didn't quite get bass boat in this one but maybe something like that?

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If  it isn't an original bassboat paint job just paint it whatever bassboat color you think looks cool. It's hard to  tell how it would look on the frame from looking at the color in a paint container. I personally like the 1997 bassboat metallic because it's BIG.

Jeff

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Stripping the original paint revealed they used a black base coat/primer with silver glitter on top of that.  The top clear coat was just tinted to be whatever color they wanted (blue, orange, red, green, gold, etc.).  

My plan is to apply a black base and then mix the glitter in clear and apply as many coats as needed to get the sparkle level I like.  Next apply decals and multiple clearcoats over that.  I have the large "Schwinn" downtube decals and made up some extra "S" decals for cups that I'll apply 1 to the top tube like the 97/98 BBBlue Factory frames.

I kicked around the idea of 100% Pearl White, but doing the middle section of the seat tube that way would be a nice touch.  I was wrong about aready getting the proper blue flake.  I was comparing it to the green last night and discovered that the blue I purchased has "holographic" in it that gets rainbow"y" in sunlight.

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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Sounds like a plan. I'm no painter, but have applied new decals over original 1997 bassboat paint, touched up with areas with paint, and final clear coated over everything on a few of my bikes. The original bassboat paint is not smooth.

Wonder if  you might be better to apply a few coats of clear before you apply the decals and then clear coat again over top of the decals. Only suggest this because the metallic won't be smooth and the rougher texture may show in the decals. The clear would smooth the surface out and the decals may look better.

Jeff

94 Underground aluminum cracked frame

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You make an excellent point on the smoothness over the glitter.  I might have to do clear layers to get the smoothness under the decals.  I'll see when I get there.

I bought some gold glitter on my lunch break.  I'm thinking two-tone green/gold similar to the red/gold Toyota Team combo from 98.  I decided against Pearl White since my stickers would be a base white.

Now I'm getting motivated to finish getting the old paint remnants off and into primer.

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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Tried to sandblast frame with a cheapo setup and it didn't work well at all.  Went back to chemical stripping and that didn't work any better getting those small spots off.  Finally tried a straight razor blade and "shaved" many spots off.  Used sandpaper to even out surface after spot removal.  It'll be a couple more hours of work before ready for primer.

My wife reminded me that green/gold would look like Green Bay Packers so I'm back to either solid green or green with white pearl.

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1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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That's funny your wife mentioned the packers. Be sure and post photos of the progress. It is a lot of prep work making the paint look good.

Jeff

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Super sad to see an original go out like this, but I understand. That orange/red is not a great corlor. Whatever you end up doing (Grean/Pearl) you should do with replacement decals in mind, SO iconic. Post phots of the fished work. 

 

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I totally understand the horrific thought of "killing" a true Bass Boat paint job, but this frame was an exception for me.  This would have qualified as a "second" quality paint job had I seen it on a bike shop floor.  As bad of an example of Orange as you could find.

 

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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Whits Industries hubs?, Titec Ti stem. Pretty cool parts to have.

Jeff

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97- Homegrown Factory

99- Homegrown Pro

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3 things make me a Schwinn Homegrown fan: 1-Murica, 2-The Ride, 3-The Bling

The re-spray will give it the Bling it failed to get at birth.  Livernose, those are Chris King hubs wink.  I'm sorry to say that in a moment of weakness I sold the Titec Ti stem crying.  I do still have the Titec Ti seatpost.  I dropped the seat down in that picture for my daughter to ride it, and put that cushy gel seat on it.  At the time, it was the best choice for a fast "road" bike I had for her.  She has since been "upgraded" to a real road bike, which meant the Homegrown started collecting dust bunnies.  Time for a makeover and back out on the dance floor.

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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Those Titec titanium posts are hard to find. 

Jeff

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97- Homegrown Factory

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I finally got back to work on the frame.  My wife and dad both said go with the holographic blue, so that's what it will be.  I cleaned off the remainder of old paint with a razorblade and sanded the whole frame with 180 grit sandpaper.  Next came 2 coats of grey primer (I had it on the shelf, so didn't buy black primer).  Talked myself into starting with a turquoise base coat, also because I had a can of it on my shelf.  I hit it with a clear mixed with the glitter (no pic of that yet) and realize it will take many, many coats.  

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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Definitely a better color than the old. Looking good so far, are you going to replace the decals at all, or leave it blank? Looking forward to seeing the finished product. 

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I have the down tube SCHWINN decals, and a top tube Stinger "S" decal.  New headbadge and a Easton for Schwinn badge.  Nothing that says Homegrown yet. crying

Here's how it looks after 2 coats of glitter.  Might be around 6 coats to finish, then decals, then clear.

 

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

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I just found the website below that has some cool looking decal options.  Anybody ever buy from them?

https://velocals.com/schwinn-project-underground-bicycle-decal-set/

https://velocals.com/schwinn-homegrown-epicenter-decal-set-sku-480/

 

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Also, I think a fair amount of people have had good luck with velocals.

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laugh

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I have ordered from Velocals. I may have an extra seat tube wrap from the Underground set. I asked him to take the large circle off from around the "S" to make it more correct. No cutout for the front derailleur stop on the seat tube wrap, but that can be cut out. I attached a picture of my brother's frame with the proper seat tube wrap with the cut out. Unsure if you can see it but that's the only photo I have of it. 

The other set be sure to tell him the dimensions of the rear seat stay decals, because the ones he sent me were much larger than the stock ones. Plus they both have Epicenter on them versus the original that have epicenter on the left one and seatstay on the right one.

It is cool he can make any color decal you want if you want to go with original style, but a different color.

Jeff

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Thanks for the input on Velocals.  I think I'll get a set (or 2).

Painting update:  Only able to apply a third coat because the stars didn't align for me this week.  I did purchase more glitter because I know I will need it.  I wish I had weighed the bare frame so I could calculate how much the paint job added to it.  The paint shop recommended I focus my spray with a smaller "fan" as it comes out of the gun.  He said I'm probably wasting too much product.  

This message reads like my week has gone.  Only time for quick bullet points then move on to the next fire storm.

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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After 4 coats of glitter I was still seeing excessive amounts of Turquoise for my liking.  The paint supply store convinced me to apply a light coat of candy (I chose china blue).  This did darken the frame to something more along the lines of what I originally wanted.  I really regret not using a black base.

I applied 1 coat of candy and got the results you see on the last pic.  I need to flip the frame over so I can get the tube bottoms as well.  The candy has toned down the sparkle, so I think I will put more glitter on top of the candy to bring the sparkle back.

Oh well, I'm having fun with the painting, but it's getting expensive doing so much trial and error.  I have another frame (Lynskey Ridgline Ti) that I think I will try and paint the front half in a bass boat fashion.  I still have the gold and green flakes......

 

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

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1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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I like the results so far. You gonna  Apply clear to smooth the finish?

Jeff

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There will be a few coats of clear applied after decals.  Not necessarily to make it 100% smooth.  I had an original Bass Boat Blue Factory hardtail back in the day and its' paint was not smooth to the touch like the 1998 and later versions.

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

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Update:  I pretty much ruined the glitter paint job when I applied the Candy Coat to darken it.  Now it just looks like a lumpy paint job. crying  I need to start over by stripping the paint off and get it back to bare metal.  I haven't found the motivation to do so just yet.  I will be trying a differnt paint method next time, but it will definitaly start with a black base coat.  I plan to continue updating so maybe others can learn from my mistakes on this. 

1997 Homegrown Factory XTR Hardtail 17"

1998 Homegrown XT Hardtail 17"

1999 Homegrown Pro Hardatail Gravel Conversion 19"

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Practice makes perfect. It will be worth it in the long run.

Jeff

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Bummer that you've got to start over, but at least this way you get to do the black base coat?  

Thanks for keeping track of the process here.